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j_nash3000 Moderator 743 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 00:49AM	PLEASE REMEMBER This thread is for discussing having the reset ASAP. If you would like to discuss SH2/the economy, please use the other discussion thread. That way it will be easier to see your views on resetting the game now, and we won't lose any good ideas you may have for the economy in general Forum -> Site / Official -> SH1 and SH2 Discussion - Highscores, the SH euro and the riddle trail http://www.slavehack.com/includes2/includes/forum.php?&action=viewtopic&topic=63800&cat=2402 *if you are annoyed in any way about the reset in general, please post your views there ^ . If you haven't read any of that thread, I would urge you to at least read as many of my posts as you can find, so that you get an idea of why exactly I am making these suggestions* Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------ This was posted in another thread but I thought I would start a new thread about the topic specifically. Would love to hear what you guys think of resetting the game early. I'd rather everyone who enjoys playing the game, and would like to continue to do so, be happy, whether they are new or not, rather than noone at all (as we seem to be close to having atm). If you think either SH2 or the reset is not going to happen, I would suggest that you're wrong. Granted, it's taking a fucking long time, but that's because it's a hard job, and it's being done by one person (Ape hasn't been working on SH for a very long time) during some very important years in his education. Toastie is writing pretty much the entire game again, and has next to no free time to do it. We are currently looking at more devs to help out, we'll let you know ------------------------------------------------------------ The game is definitely broken, and I think I know why. Perhaps not everyone agrees, but it's certainly at least 95% of the cause in my eyes. M2H saw the problem a while back and realised the mistake he'd made, as did a few of the smarter players. But everyone just sat back until the problem snowballed to what we have today. ------------------------------------------------------------ The reset could happen today theoretically, but I don't think people would be happy with a reset without the back up of some updates too... With an obvious change to the way GSs behave in game, I think a reset would be greatly beneficial, and I would like to hear your opinions on how you would feel with it happening without SH2 following immediately behind it. Although, as some of you are probably noticing more and more, the effects of inactive GSs are killing the game (whether you can accept it's GSs or not, you should at least be able to see the game is dying at an accelerating pace) and we're almost at a point where the reset is going to have to happen anyway, updates or not. My most recent idea is to have the reset happen anyway, but to have the riddle trail kept how it is. This way all you current players have your loyalty rewarded by having extra time to build up your score and your hardware, whilst waiting for SH2. SH2 would then arrive with a new riddle trail and all your softs would be reset, but you will have had the time to at least build up your score/hardware/etc. Now, the only thing with this is, we may have to limit .vddos (I have a few ideas for how, but please concentrate on the point in hand ) as it is likely many people will sit around 555 DDoSsing anybody who manages to get any hardware at all ------------------------------------------------------------ ^ Let me know what you think about this. Everything we have said has been (to our knowledge) true, we don't want to mislead you, only give you hope when we feel it's there, whether it's after playing for a while on a SH2 demo or whatever; the hope gets snatched away from us too yanno =/ So, sorry, yes it's taking a long time, but not due to lack of effort. It's a free game, and we're still doing whatever we can to keep it not only running, but keep it successful. I know noone (cept a few) are jumping on our backs, but please consider the fact that the only reason I have been here near enough every day for the last 1 and a half to two years (with a (can I say deserved?? ) break, once extra mods were put in place), doing what I can to help, and without playing for more than an hour, is because I love the game and only want to help it survive, grow, and try and ensure that the players have a good time, and that mentality is shared amongst Toastie, myself and the other mods. So as j_kennedy3000 would say, "ask not what SH can do for you; ask what you can do for SH". Any player is welcome to help in any way they can. Whether they know decent coders, can help advertise the site, maybe even help out on the forums by making it a more newb friendly environment (no community grows without a community that wants growth). Wanna no-bullshit assessment? There it is. Edited on 18-01-2010 12:37 Darwin- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
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EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 00:55AM	As I told you before, The main point of the reset is to have everything put back to zero with the exception of stats. Putting through a reset now before group servers are made to reset periodically would mean people have a chance to get money backed up before that fix happens and would have an advantage over newer players who are not as adept at getting GS slaves. Not to mention, everyone would have access to the software already through riddle trails made from first playthroughs. Everything has to be done at once for this reset to be successful in my oppinion. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
j_nash3000 Moderator 743 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:01AM	The GSs would be changed. "With an obvious change to the way GSs behave in game, I think a reset would be greatly beneficial" The reset and the GS fix would come together. As for stats we have several options. Start them with the reset, or start them with SH2, either way, whenever they start, there'll be two sets, both of which will count up The access to the riddle trail etc would be a bonus to the older/loyal players, which I'm sure many would welcome seeing as the only problem with the reset anyone can come up with is losing stuff; having previous knowledge of the riddle trail seems a fair compromise. Not sure what you mean with the money, since with the reset everyone would lose everything.... If this were to happen and we did redesign the riddle trail to coincide with SH2, just software would then need to be reset to give everyone a chance at doing the trail fairly, a secondary reset, so to speak Edited on 18-01-2010 02:05 Darwin- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:05AM	What I meant with money was.... ....I thought we would have to wait for SH2 for GS' to reset periodically regardless of whether we did the reset now. This would mean people who have methods for getting GS slaves would be able to make a start on getting back GS slaves before they are made to reset and would have an advantage over other players due to having cash saved up from those broken slaves at the beginning of SH2. Having access to the riddle trail beforehand is essentially making it harder for newbies to get started and easier for older players which is what we were trying to avoid. =\ Edit: If GS's were made to reset today and we did the reset shortly after, The only downfall would be the riddle trail. As I said it would be an advantage for older players which the reset was designed to eliminate altogether. Edited on 18-01-2010 02:07 [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
mmistermeh Moderator 1403 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:07AM	I feel like new riddles would be a good idea, but they could be based off of old riddles. qwerty.txt for example could be changed very easily, as well as many other riddles. That way NPC lists no longer give an advantage, at least until new ones are made. Software could also be lowered a little bit, back down to 1.5, or higher, I am not suggesting 1.5 over something else, so updates can happen more frequently or more regularly for the next few months. Over those fews months more things can be added to the game with a promise of riddle updates every month, or every few weeks. Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:10AM	Basing it off of old riddles would again create an advantage for older players. They would have a general idea of what goes where before even trying if you get what I mean. As for lowering the software, I agree with this. Go back to low software and gradually increase it. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
jds6csi 29 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:13AM	Well i can't code or anything like that but id like to help with anything i can, so if there is anything i can do to help, advertise or something let me know id be more then happy to Also i do agree with a reset sooner just to keep everyone interested untill SH2 or updates come out.
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:15AM	Go around posting on all the forums you visit to help advertise. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
j_nash3000 Moderator 743 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:18AM	Ah, no, well if the reset happens, the fix would happen; as I say a lot regarding this, no point clearing the car wreck if you're gonna do nothing about the 190 degree blind corner with no grip, a 60 mph minimum speed sign, a 300 foot straight drop either side, and a school made out of paper in the middle of the road just in case anyone makes it round the corner, which is pretty much what non-resetting GSs are, metaphorically As for the riddle trail, that is not so much of a problem. The vast majority of the active SH community have known the riddle trail for years and years now, and besides they would have their software reset as soon as SH2 and a new riddle trail comes out anyway... People would also get deleted a lot more, and unless you're seriously good, I can't see many people having a GS any time soon. I don't think it too much of an imbalance to reward the older players with a slight leg up, if nothing else, and it's not like new players won't find out the trail sooner or later I just think it would be a shame to put off the reset, the only hope of saving the game, and a chance which is quickly fading, so that the features of SH2 and a new riddle trail can be added. Darwin- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
jds6csi 29 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:24AM	lol ok will do haha, and in my opinion if the reset happens and the riddle trail is the same i dont think it will make that bigger difference, i mean yer older players will know but its so easy to get a list of google that any nub can really have almost the same advantage as others??
mmistermeh Moderator 1403 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:27AM	^That's why I think we need a new riddle trail, even based off of old riddles, because the IP's them selves will be different. The old players will still have to work them out, they will just be easier than for the new players. I think NPC lists need a new start. We were talking about a leg up for older players, how would a riddle trail based (only partly) off of old riddles not do that to some extent? I'll make all the riddles myself, I've already made tons of them from the old days when Twon and easy told me that M2H needed riddles to make the riddle trail longer. I don't have all of them, but I could probably make a whole new riddle trail in the next four hours. =/ Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
jds6csi 29 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:33AM	that wud work, thats what i was saying really, keeping them the same wouldnt really be an advantage over other players
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:33AM	Fair enough Nash. If the software would be reset again at SH2 with a new riddle trail...sure. Sounds good. mmistermeh: While you are keen to help, If you alone create the riddle trail and a few hours you can count me out of the player base. One person in a few hours right up to 5.5 software? Fuck that. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
j_nash3000 Moderator 743 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:37AM	Exactly, I'm thinking if we redo the riddle trail, then we set up a focus group of a handful of trusted players, and we'll make a great new one, that'll be challenging But that will also take time, which is why I am making this suggestion here. Darwin- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
mmistermeh Moderator 1403 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:38AM	lul. The idea would be that it wouldn't go all the way up to 5.5 and if that did happen, I obviously would stop playing for a week or two because I would have a huge advantage, same with the other moderators, or at least one (maybe nash! ) that can review the riddles. I would not want to create an unfair advantage while evening out the playing field, that would make no sense. Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:45AM	I was thinking more along the lines of a riddle trail right up to 5.5 in a few hours would = rushed, easy riddles. Not you being the one to do them. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
mmistermeh Moderator 1403 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:47AM	Ahhh, alright, well I assure you they wont be easy. I am also not suggesting that I be the only person to make them, I am only offering. If you would like to work with me EA, I would be quite happy, or just test out the riddles, doesn't matter to me. Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 01:50AM	I suck at making riddles unfortunately. I can be decent at solving them but again, not great. If I can help I will though. The sooner this gets done, the better. [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
jadyen626 186 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 02:13AM	I think that a reset should happen with SH2. I wouldn't care if a small reset happened beforehand but a total reset with SH2 would make it fun (for me anyways.) Edited by staff member [j_nash3000] on 18-01-2010 12:44
d357ruc70r 37 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 07:14AM	I to side with Knox. As a old player myself i too would like the chance at a renewed chance to get a challenge. a nifty idea would be to implement a DDOS limitation where you can only ddos a certain amount of times per hour or day. a given pro in my opinion would be content with a 5 maybe 8 limit on ddosing i mean come on how many times does it take to 555 someone...2 maybe 3 hits if your slaves are good. so yeah a reset would be very becoming
EvilAngel 2142 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 07:16AM	Maxed VPC's take wayyy more than two or three hits to 555 someone. Limiting DDoS hit numbers is ridiculous. Limiting people with shitty hardware from DDoS'ing properly, if not at all, is a good idea though. Death to 5'5'5 DDoS'ing! Edit: DDoS slaves: 0 On your old account I'm not sure how many slaves you had but since in the old days people never did it much I'm gonna go ahead and say not a lot. Once you hit 10/10 the hits are ridiculously random. Edited on 18-01-2010 08:25 [TDC] In the depths of a mind insane, Fantasy and reality are the same [TDC]
Text 159 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 07:22AM	Yeah ddosing 5/5/5 is super duper lame.
RaZr X 282 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 11:50AM	I think that SH is still going to be dead even if you reset the game, unless you keep the game updated on a regular basis. It's dead because the gameplay has been the same since it started. the updates should add interest to the gameplay, and not just add more downloadable software off a GS from an active friend who have peers that have already solved the new riddle. I too vote for the reset, if only, that the game will be updated regularly, otherwise, go ahead with the reset.. I too am waiting for SH2 or updates, I'd rather be playing those stupid facebook games than this one if it continues to be like this - reset or not.
j_nash3000 Moderator 743 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 12:12PM	Try not to cover us all in your raging optimism RaZr But try to keeping to talking about the reset ASAP, rather than the reset in general, otherwise we'll end up with a duplicate to the other thread, with no real answer on how you guys feel about resetting the game now. Darwin- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
caeragoth 138 posts Mon 18th Jan 2010, 12:39PM	Reset the darn thing already All of it- The game is basically awesome, you guys have identified the issues that need to be resolved. If you have viable working solutions- push da button. No one is gonna miss players who currently sit in their vpc's spouting how good they were or how much money they have and how hard they have worked ..pfft good ridance i say. Or those of us who are likewise sitting on millions and can afford to ddos all day without any repercusions and got bored to tears. Online games have a shelf life, unless you have a dev team constantly shifting, tweaking and introducing new elements throw the phucker out and bring in the new and improved till its time has come. my 2 cents - peace

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