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Trizzel
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 18:27PM

heres a point but in a question

How long did it take you to get your 5g EXT HD or your very first GS?

seeing as you didnt get a free hand out of money or a GS or a list of ips from other players...  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 18:32PM

"GS'es aint VPC's that are easily found in the first bank, it's still a rare thing to find a GS."

And I totally agree, we should definitely accommodate for that. What I don't agree with though is leaving them as they are to slowly inflate one "end" of the economy whilst slowly deflating the other xD.gif

They need to reset to keep a balance smile.gif This makes the game fair, fun and competitive for everyone.

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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 18:35PM

like what i said in the ddosworld channel.. the "perma-slaves" that you have lol  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 18:47PM

Are you talking to me trizzel?  
Trizzel
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 18:49PM

no

i have no idea what i was talking about there. i kinda just come in with some random shit.

drank a lil bit tbh  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 19:47PM

i just thought of an idea on the sh 2
you could put where u have to pay your internet weekly depending on how much you have like if u had 15mil u would need to pay 1.5mil to use the internet for another week
or sumthing along those lines it would help decrea the inflatuation aswelsmile.gif  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:03PM

To everyone complaining about the GS reset thing:

Sure you all say it's the fruits of your labour being taken from you, but i for one see no fun in simply sitting on a mass of slaves which you can never lose other than to say you have them. Exploiting the lack of knowledge in noobs makes the game unstable and with the GS reset timers it will get rid of this problem.

This reset is forcing everyone to come out of "retirement" and none of you like it. Why stick around and collect if you don't want to actually keep playing the game? =
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:13PM

...we actually "were" going to play when SH2 was out...but meh. said it already ill say it again, with only euros SH will just return to where it is today.  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:17PM

I want the scores to stay as they are as some of us worked hard to get to the place they're at now that was alot more active before.

Getting gs slaves is harder than it looks. takes a long time to get "safe" slaves that you don't need to no longer worry about. Us that played a fair long time and are 50/50 active usually have a few gs slaves they have kept for a long time.

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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:28PM

People seem to think gs slaves come free.  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:33PM

The Freek: Read the main post, keeping SH1 scores and being able to add to them is all part of the plan. Also, on the 7th page is a large explanation of exactly why not allowing GSs to reset with inactivity has and will cause the economy to become very unbalanced. Noone has yet to come up with a better reason against having them reset with inactivity than "I wouldn't like it, they took me time to find". When you consider what it's doing to the game and the economy, making them reset is a small sacrifice to make, and actually comes with a few benefits which I have outlined the last couple of pages. Again, noone has come up with a reasonable reason countering any of the benefits I have discussed.

Shich: You said it already, I'll reply again.

So your view is that just because it may be possible we shouldn't bother fixing it? As in you would rather just let the game economy continue to become more and more imbalanced and for the game to die rather than fixing it just because it may happen again? What if it doesn't happen again? Adding to that point:

"What I'm suggesting is that with a reset and balanced economy, within which inactive GSs are actively removed as a money making source, the economy will immediately become much more controlled.

The economy has also remained untouched for years before it got to his point, and without the steady control that would come with having GSs that reset.

With Toastie able to add things as needed, and with a lot more care, I think we can take the economy in a stable state way past the three year mark, and perhaps with good ideas and implementation even sustain it."


And of course they are difficult to find, but that shouldn't be a reason to keep them forever to ultimately just help destroy the economy.

We could come up with extra one off benefits to finding them. But having them sat there forever just bending the economy out of shape is not a smart idea, as you should be able to see by the current state of the economy...

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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:37PM

@EvilAngel's post.
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Some of us may not have the opportunity to play as much as we did before.. Maybe yes we sit on our gs's but it's giving us a good income and we hold ourselfes up. Myself i got my last year in high school now so i won't be able to be anymuch active at all except maybe a few weekends. By reseting this game will only make it worse, alot of new players that join leave anyway and our "Old schoolers" that we have now will by all mean quit the game because there is no reason in continueing playing when all we worked for in possibly over a year is gone, a "hall of fame" may seem nice but it's not the same. And as i said if the old schoolers quit and alot of the new people that join still quit, sh will be more dead than it is now. and it's actually very active and fun for many at this moment.
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:38PM

How about we just cancel SH2 overall? It seems a fair amiount of people don't really want to start over.
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:38PM

Your life dictates when games can be played, your life doesn't dictate the actual game.

If you have no time to play then don't play. Sorry but it's really as simple as that.
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:41PM

Wait so let me get this straight? I someone who is NOT inactive who has worked hard for gs slaves NONE CAME FREE am not gonna have everything reset because of ''economy''


YOu think this economy gonna liven this game up? Newbs will still get deleted and quit GS's have nothing to do with this game ''dying'' IN all honesty its the lack of content leading people to go inactive People like jnash n trizzel and people who do nothing You guys are what is killing SH instead of dumbing down the people who worked forever why Don't you make it easier for newbs to accomplish something



NEWBS will still quit when there deleted HALF these newbs don't even know what a gs is and yet its ruining the game gs's?


I think this game needs to look at the broader picture we need to make it easier for the newbs I dont feel punishing players such as I who put in


Connected to the internet: 984 days, starting 6:46:06AM, Saturday 9th December 2006
Time Spent Playing (H:M): 1662:55

That long playing for everything i earned TO get pushed to a newb level because they can't reach my level.

If m2h wanted gs slaves to reset he would have made it that way.

I worked as schi said To get where i am I WANT my gs slaves i want a STABLE INCOME its not like oh shit a gs slave right there i spent 5-7 hours camping for all my gs's and you wanna reset them cause a newb can't make it? I want to be able to ddos people its part the game and i've earned EVERY CENT IVE MADE in this bad economy to do so and you think you can just take it away? I'm sure you can im sure you will but you won't see me here when you do and you'll still lose the newbs who get deleted n quit and you'll be losing the people who blead sweat and cryed for this game and got were they are. You guys this only post im posting here This is an opinion and also Jnash don't copy paste anything you said before i've watched you repeat yourself on every post and all you are is narrowminded to RESET GS's when its not even plausible.


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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:42PM

Freek, read my original post. It's against a hall of fame, but pro keeping the SH1 scores. Everything in it also explains how the change will vastly improve everybody's reason to play, and will help make the game more active. Resetting the economy will also help new players to stick around, and for the game to remain more active in that sense too.

Also, it's just tough luck that you might be away for a while. If you are not around to maintain slaves etc, why should you necessarily just keep on going up the scoreboard? People should work for their positions, and then keep working to maintain them. This will in turn make the highscores for SH2 a lot more indicative of determination and skill, than those who got lucky a couple of times and then just sat on their asses for 2 years.


Sublime: Your post is full or inaccuracies.

Firstly I would like to point out that "People like jnash n trizzel and people who do nothing You guys are what is killing SH" is complete rubbish. If you had any idea what I do to keep this game running you would be extremely red right now. I do the complete opposite to nothing and am someone who can ONLY look from the perspective of someone who helps the game day in and day out, and has only hopes of it's success in mind.

Your post is full of suggestions to make it easier to newbs and yet you have no idea why it is so difficult for them. It is because of the economy; anyone with a half-decent mind capable of unbiased analysis can see that. The reason I have to repeat myself is that quite often people will suggest the same point over and over again, causing me to have to counter it with the exact same reasoning. Not opening your mind to the obvious fact that GSs are clearly driving a huge gap between new and old players is actually narrow minded of you.

The only way to make it easier for newbs is to rebalance the game to the state it was when the economy was new, stable and... balanced!


Sublime, if you don't change your tone I will ban you from this thread. I started this for mature discussion, not to be insulted by someone accusing me of doing nothing for the game, and reeling off a load of unconnected symptoms with no effort to suggest a cure, and by rubbishing my reasoning with absolutely no thought processes backing you up.

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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:48PM

Nash yes i will read it i only got time to read some of it at the moment. But your saying we need to keep working over and over again to keep our scores up? I were active once, very active never thought i'd get to the position im in now. Just because we may not have time for the game at the moment doesn't mean we quit? You've seem it yourself that alot of people return. ttyl g2g nao wink.gif!
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:56PM

You are lowering the value of GS slaves if you reset them and have that rule where if the owner of the GS is inactive for 30 days it resets. This also lowers the value of camping VPC.

And if that lowers then whats the point in playing slavehack if you have to slave every single day just to maintain your 30 slaves. I like having a stable income. Please don't use the excuse that SH is dying because all the pro's ddosed the noobs.

We should work on a way to make it easier for the noobs to catch up to the pro's instead of making the rich become poor again.  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 21:56PM

See you later mate.

The thoughts I had were it has to be this way concerning GSs otherwise the economy will forever just keep screwing up, and you guys will all get angry every time we have to reset your stats because the game simply becomes unplayable. We're not quite at that stage yet, but we are fast approaching it, the balance needs to be restored and those factors (mostly the non resetting GSs) be removed to prevent it happening again.

It does come hand in hand with benefits such as forcing players to be active, and stopping the "lurkers" that everyone moan about who just sit there doing nothing and earning a great deal of money, unbalancing the economy as they do so. As I've previously said, adding preventative measures against inflation isn't enough by itself, it needs to be rebalanced first and then the really serious contributors to inflation such as non resetting GSs need to be removed.


jonrocks: the "inactive period" could be made longer, so that you do have a stable income, but it would need to be worked on otherwise the same would happen down the line. If you want a stable income it should be a requirement that you work for it, that should be obvious. You don't just turn up for a week at work and they pay you for a year right?

Also, forcing ways to make newbs catch up is the exact same as forcing higher players down to meet the newbs. Creating ways for newbs to catch up is also a lot more difficult than this simple solution, which actually has a ridiculous amount of benefits once the select few have gotten over the fact that the possibility of sitting there making easy money, forever, for a one off find, should be removed as it shouldn't be possible, and is killing the game.

Sustained rewards should be created by sustained work

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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 22:07PM

You're telling me the 5-7 hours camping for Each gs WASNT work? That it was nothing and it should be reset because newbs can't do the same? Im just asking to clarify someone actually thinks this way.


thats almost 90 hours of labor that i wish to sustain and because another newb can't do that Im forced to give up which i have EARNED and want the rewards? If keeping a gs slave after working 90hours for them isn't playing or sustaining slaves TEll me what is?
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 22:13PM

me thinks slavehack should be like lots of mini competitions.
I think there should be server resets every month or so.
Everytime you come, say 1st you get 100 points
every time you come 2nd you get 99 points
3rd 98 points etc etc
have seperate highscores.
One for your reputation and stuff
and one for you points you win each server.
I think it would give new players a chance of having a go to beat the old players.
But then again everyone would just ddos constantly for rep.
But maybe you could have points for getting different awards as well, like most slaves, most deleted software, most hacked systems.
I dont know, maybe i just kinda dont like the fact that even though you may reset the highscores it will soon bump up again so that new players have no chance of getting anywhere in the top 50ish.
Just an idea but i think SH2 is way too far into the proccess for big changes like ive said haha.  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 22:14PM

No I'm suggesting that the price game dying because of a completely unbalanced economy far outweighs the price of some of the better players hard work. They should have reset from inactivity from day one, then the economy would still be relatively stable and you guys wouldn't be pissed at losing them like you rightly (although yes, highly unfortunately should).

I'm not saying that newbs can't do it, I'm saying that due to the state of the economy, it's extremely difficult for newbs to get off their feet and to actually learn in the first place, because a few hundred people with almost limitless resources come in and smash them to hell. Removing this unbalancing resource will make it far fairer as people would actually care about getting DDoSsed, the game would have increased risks, and everyone above #200 wouldn't be near invincible compared to a newb.

What I'm saying would be fair is that your labour should have a RELATIVE amount of reward, rather than a limitless one, as the limitless part is what the problem is atm. We can work together to find fair and agreed rewards for finding a GS for instance, however having it as an endless cash generator is obviously a bad idea on so many levels.

Edited on 20-08-2009 00:17
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 22:20PM

I'm not saying that newbs can't do it, I'm saying that due to the state of the economy, it's extremely difficult for newbs to get off their feet and to actually learn in the first place, because a few hundred people with almost limitless resources come in and smash them to hell.

^Are you sure thats true?

No good players who is rich will bother deleting or ddosing a noob. Noobs delete other noobs. Reseting GS will not save their butts. They are still going to get deleted so no point in making the rich people poor. It will not help the noobs. It will only make rich people quit.  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 22:30PM

i saw we reset the game and leave the scores mainly because the euro will reset and the challenge will be brought back to the game. but if we are going to reset we need to think of preventative measures now so that the euro doesn't inflate again.
a dynamic riddle trail would definitely cut down on the euro because we wouldn't be able to slave 150+ NPC's because you don't have a riddle trail list (although i would recommend some static NPC like all whosis so that we don't have to do 150+ riddles to get a 4.9 waterwall)

inactive GS'es would have to be reset after a certain amount of time to prevent players from picking on the little people of slavehack

also another thing you can do is create a "casino" the whole point of casinos is to make money so that means that there is more money going to in the casino then there is coming out but the chance to win big will still appeal to many people to actually make them try and play. (if this does help it will be a minor but still helpful)  
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Wed 19th Aug 2009, 23:12PM

Hypno we all know you want your rankings and all that.. that is not what this thread is about. sorry but try and talk about what everyone else is  
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